hpandey
06-14 12:40 PM
To be honest, I do agree that the US needs qualified people with skillsets. The real question is "Are the people from the desi consulting companies the real qualified lot ? " Just to get my background details out of the way. I am a new member, from India ofcourse, and I have recently applied for my citizenship. Now with this huge deluge of immigrants, especially from the desi consulting companies, I feel that my quality of life is getting adversely impacted. Do not rush to conclusions that I am anti Indian or anti immigrant. 12 years back when I first got my H1 visa, the requirements to qualify were strict. Staffing companies to a decent extent followed rules and tried to get the best and the brightest. Once the dot com boom started, people from all walks of life entered IT. This was true of not just the Indians but also of people in the US. Soon after the bust, the value proposition from these staffing companies was simply low cost. This is not to blame the staffing companies. They behaved in an economically rational way.
Consider this scenario. If you run a consulting company, wouldn't you try to maximize your profits by staffing people in projects at the least cost ? This is econmically rational. You wouldn't worry much about the quality of the deliverables and all you would care is to dump as many bodies as possible at the client site or offshore and get the maximum bang for the buck.
In this scenario, how is it feasible to expect immigrational justice when the bodies themselves dont provide exceptional talent and skills but simply offer low cost ? Now you would be tempted to bring in the analogous case of illegal low skilled immigrants. Remember they are just that - low skilled workers. They dont "steal" the jobs of high skilled workers. But this dumping of IT workforce has completely brought down the standard of living of the IT workers here. To be honest, those who get green cards today would feel the same way five years from now when the next wave of so called "skilled IT immigrants" offer even lower wages and destroy the quality of life.
In summary, this retrogression is good in a way. The truly best and the brightest would still be employed until their turn for adjournment comes in. Only the weak are currently scared of the delays. I went through the same torrid GC phase after the tech meltdown in 2001. I was not worried of my job then but many people whom I knew got clobbered and were forced to leave. This is the darwinian flush and it will take its toll. Trust me this the bitter truth. If you people still consider that all the people on H1/L1 are part of the best and the brightest, they are WRONG. Only a small % (probably 20%) are the true best and the brightest and a good 50% will be flushed out. Sorry to say this and hey give me the red dots.
You have got the same Indian mentality that most of the people here that once we got a GC and citizenship let us close the doors behind us. Just because you got lucky and got your GC in time and are now applying for Citizenship you are saying that all others who come after you are not as qualified as you or "best and the brightest" .
For your knowledge I see a lot of intelligent people everyday from all walks of life - Indians, Americans, Chinese, Russians etc etc. A person does not becomhe intelligent by the number of degrees he has but by the logic sense that he has and how he applies to his daily life.
Who are you to judge the people coming after you that they are not skilled or the best and brightest.
I don't wish bad for anyone but if you are saying retrogression is good then beware you are wishing for the curse of a lot of people who have been unfairly standing in the queue for 8 - 10 years while a lot of people from 2006 got their GC.
Consider this scenario. If you run a consulting company, wouldn't you try to maximize your profits by staffing people in projects at the least cost ? This is econmically rational. You wouldn't worry much about the quality of the deliverables and all you would care is to dump as many bodies as possible at the client site or offshore and get the maximum bang for the buck.
In this scenario, how is it feasible to expect immigrational justice when the bodies themselves dont provide exceptional talent and skills but simply offer low cost ? Now you would be tempted to bring in the analogous case of illegal low skilled immigrants. Remember they are just that - low skilled workers. They dont "steal" the jobs of high skilled workers. But this dumping of IT workforce has completely brought down the standard of living of the IT workers here. To be honest, those who get green cards today would feel the same way five years from now when the next wave of so called "skilled IT immigrants" offer even lower wages and destroy the quality of life.
In summary, this retrogression is good in a way. The truly best and the brightest would still be employed until their turn for adjournment comes in. Only the weak are currently scared of the delays. I went through the same torrid GC phase after the tech meltdown in 2001. I was not worried of my job then but many people whom I knew got clobbered and were forced to leave. This is the darwinian flush and it will take its toll. Trust me this the bitter truth. If you people still consider that all the people on H1/L1 are part of the best and the brightest, they are WRONG. Only a small % (probably 20%) are the true best and the brightest and a good 50% will be flushed out. Sorry to say this and hey give me the red dots.
You have got the same Indian mentality that most of the people here that once we got a GC and citizenship let us close the doors behind us. Just because you got lucky and got your GC in time and are now applying for Citizenship you are saying that all others who come after you are not as qualified as you or "best and the brightest" .
For your knowledge I see a lot of intelligent people everyday from all walks of life - Indians, Americans, Chinese, Russians etc etc. A person does not becomhe intelligent by the number of degrees he has but by the logic sense that he has and how he applies to his daily life.
Who are you to judge the people coming after you that they are not skilled or the best and brightest.
I don't wish bad for anyone but if you are saying retrogression is good then beware you are wishing for the curse of a lot of people who have been unfairly standing in the queue for 8 - 10 years while a lot of people from 2006 got their GC.
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eyeswe
07-21 04:33 PM
I think we have met somewhere OR I have seen you somewhere...
Would you like to be financially independent?
Are u from XYZ Engg College in Mumbai
The Amway cheer ...
... There is lot of excitement in this room with X,Y,X, A etc.. and this excitement is going all the way to P, Q, R on the phone.. Heyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy Heyyyyyy, Heyyyyyy, Heyyyyyyy " and folks jump around to show the excitement
Needless to say I have been in several Amway bait situations. My room mates were Amway folks and we use to have several meetings at my place -- upline, downline used to be the manthra...
Would you like to be financially independent?
Are u from XYZ Engg College in Mumbai
The Amway cheer ...
... There is lot of excitement in this room with X,Y,X, A etc.. and this excitement is going all the way to P, Q, R on the phone.. Heyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy Heyyyyyy, Heyyyyyy, Heyyyyyyy " and folks jump around to show the excitement
Needless to say I have been in several Amway bait situations. My room mates were Amway folks and we use to have several meetings at my place -- upline, downline used to be the manthra...
rahulpaper
06-26 08:33 PM
Ok, if the Fragomen page is the source of this rumor: can someone who is a Fragomen client ask their attorney about what's going on here. That might help clarify things a bit. (Given that they are the largest immigration law firm, there's bound to be many IV members for whom Fragomen is preparing documents.)
Please Please Please ask the lawyer you are working with.....
Please Please Please ask the lawyer you are working with.....
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snathan
08-16 11:40 AM
Is this what anti's call us? I think most of us are not just cheap labour. Definitely paid more that the average wage levels.
He is talking about himself....dont worry.
He is talking about himself....dont worry.
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jasmin45
08-18 09:49 PM
Wow!!! Nice post. I like the last line you mentioned. :)
Really? sounds weird.
Guy's unearthly attitude explicit in the post is truely laughable.
Really? sounds weird.
Guy's unearthly attitude explicit in the post is truely laughable.
Macaca
07-04 08:49 AM
Chanduv thanks for your efforts. A correction: retrogression started in fall of 2004
I think its is Oct 1, 2005. Please verify!
I think its is Oct 1, 2005. Please verify!
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u.misc
01-19 12:00 PM
agreed 100% but read my post with a sense of humor. No malice towards any desi consulting co. It was pure humor .
What part of the following was the pure humor ?
1. Yours extensive, in depth and first hand understanding of Prostitution business as it was your family business.
2. The sophistication of your thinking that your sister working for Consulting Company is as good as her working in brothel.
Or,
3. Reverting from all the BS you said about desi people working as consultants.
Shut the hell up.
What part of the following was the pure humor ?
1. Yours extensive, in depth and first hand understanding of Prostitution business as it was your family business.
2. The sophistication of your thinking that your sister working for Consulting Company is as good as her working in brothel.
Or,
3. Reverting from all the BS you said about desi people working as consultants.
Shut the hell up.
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unitednations
02-13 12:20 PM
immigration-law.com posted country wise EB visa allocation for the year of 2005. For example, Nepal used only 70 EB3 visas. Whereas country limit is 7%. In that case how EB3 Nepal is retrogressed?
Can we sue USCIS? Let's discuss.
In that case, let's hire an attorney.
This is a valid point of why they don't drill rest of the world down further.
From a global perspective; if they drilled down rest of the world and took all countries and evenly divided the visas then perhaps the per country limit would be less then 1%. 100% divided by number of countries in the world and you would get less then 1%. Then any country who doesn't use up that visa would get re-allocated to other countries. Pretty difficult thing to do; I would imagine.
Can we sue USCIS? Let's discuss.
In that case, let's hire an attorney.
This is a valid point of why they don't drill rest of the world down further.
From a global perspective; if they drilled down rest of the world and took all countries and evenly divided the visas then perhaps the per country limit would be less then 1%. 100% divided by number of countries in the world and you would get less then 1%. Then any country who doesn't use up that visa would get re-allocated to other countries. Pretty difficult thing to do; I would imagine.
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manderson
02-13 11:30 AM
If I am not mistaken I believe Rajiv Khanna already filed such a lawsuit some years ago and lost.
Which makes me agree with walking_dude. With the new NC>180 rule, we can get pretty good momentum by recapturing lost visas and if possible by also increasing country caps and a increase of EB visas from 2009 onwards.
Which makes me agree with walking_dude. With the new NC>180 rule, we can get pretty good momentum by recapturing lost visas and if possible by also increasing country caps and a increase of EB visas from 2009 onwards.
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sounakc
08-13 05:23 PM
riends need ur suggestion/help regarding the following matter:
filed my I-485 in july 07. submitted my G325A form. didnt filed for my wifes AOS. since she was in india and we were mutually drifting apart. only mentioned her name in the G325A form, since she was still legally my wife.
Now the official relief came as divorce this month.
my question is do i need to send USCIS an updated G325A mentioning about my divorce? (along with a divorce certificate)
will it create any problem when I try to include my next better half in future.
filed my I-485 in july 07. submitted my G325A form. didnt filed for my wifes AOS. since she was in india and we were mutually drifting apart. only mentioned her name in the G325A form, since she was still legally my wife.
Now the official relief came as divorce this month.
my question is do i need to send USCIS an updated G325A mentioning about my divorce? (along with a divorce certificate)
will it create any problem when I try to include my next better half in future.
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dilipcr
06-11 08:50 PM
Makes sense now. Peace.
Now to prove my point that we had all of today's similar issues then. Here is my after GC post.
http://forums.immigration.com/showthread.php?t=84252
I hope you people wouldn't simply jump to a conclusion that I was lucky. I went through all the travails of layoffs, GC backlogs etc.
Peace !!
Now to prove my point that we had all of today's similar issues then. Here is my after GC post.
http://forums.immigration.com/showthread.php?t=84252
I hope you people wouldn't simply jump to a conclusion that I was lucky. I went through all the travails of layoffs, GC backlogs etc.
Peace !!
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eastindia
07-21 02:30 PM
If a person is making lot of money through this e-commerce business why is he shopping in cheap Walmart? Why do they drive cheap cars? Beats me.
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eyeswe
07-21 04:33 PM
I think we have met somewhere OR I have seen you somewhere...
Would you like to be financially independent?
Are u from XYZ Engg College in Mumbai
The Amway cheer ...
... There is lot of excitement in this room with X,Y,X, A etc.. and this excitement is going all the way to P, Q, R on the phone.. Heyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy Heyyyyyy, Heyyyyyy, Heyyyyyyy " and folks jump around to show the excitement
Needless to say I have been in several Amway bait situations. My room mates were Amway folks and we use to have several meetings at my place -- upline, downline used to be the manthra...
Would you like to be financially independent?
Are u from XYZ Engg College in Mumbai
The Amway cheer ...
... There is lot of excitement in this room with X,Y,X, A etc.. and this excitement is going all the way to P, Q, R on the phone.. Heyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy Heyyyyyy, Heyyyyyy, Heyyyyyyy " and folks jump around to show the excitement
Needless to say I have been in several Amway bait situations. My room mates were Amway folks and we use to have several meetings at my place -- upline, downline used to be the manthra...
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mariusp
03-26 10:52 AM
I second that. I filed using labor subst and let me tell you, not all of us buy/cheat to skip the line. I filed using another employee's labor who's working for the same company. My PD is in 2006 which doesn't help much and I've been working for this company way before 2006 anyway. So don't jump to conclusions because there still are people out there who use LC subst. for what it was intended for. And can anyone honestly say that they would refuse LC substitution because it is "evil"? I think that with the current situation we should take advantage of any break we can get.
Very well said Subst_labor. People like Janak are simply jealous that you had the offer. People like him always will think that you are cheating the system or something like that just because a company offered you a labor substitution. I think that one should not judge such cases, and I am actually happy for all of those who are fortunate enough to receive their green cards sooner because of third factors. Good luck with your Labor subst. I hope the company is OK.
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Very well said Subst_labor. People like Janak are simply jealous that you had the offer. People like him always will think that you are cheating the system or something like that just because a company offered you a labor substitution. I think that one should not judge such cases, and I am actually happy for all of those who are fortunate enough to receive their green cards sooner because of third factors. Good luck with your Labor subst. I hope the company is OK.
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11-10 12:23 AM
I agree with your comments-albertpinto.
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ita
04-16 01:08 PM
When Gadnhiji advocated secularism for India he did so because he believed in "Sarva Mata Sama Bhava"(The equality of all religions in which most of us believe).
When religious conversions are made fundamental right as per constitution the word 'Secularism' became a farce.A farce used by religious groups (that use either terror/deceit,abuse for conversions) and also by Macaulian Indians
(Today in India Hindus&others are 70%,Muslims 20%, Christians 10%)
Once the head count , behind which most of the religious groups are running is reached , once the figures are toppled then the mantra will be dominate and destroy(as what happened in rest of the world be it Latin America or else where, stands as example), not secularism which will be reduced to joke by then.
Read this interesting article about Modi
http://www.dnaindia.com/report.asp?newsid=1248155
www.theatlantic.com/doc/200904/india-modi - Intresting article on Narendra Modi.
When religious conversions are made fundamental right as per constitution the word 'Secularism' became a farce.A farce used by religious groups (that use either terror/deceit,abuse for conversions) and also by Macaulian Indians
(Today in India Hindus&others are 70%,Muslims 20%, Christians 10%)
Once the head count , behind which most of the religious groups are running is reached , once the figures are toppled then the mantra will be dominate and destroy(as what happened in rest of the world be it Latin America or else where, stands as example), not secularism which will be reduced to joke by then.
Read this interesting article about Modi
http://www.dnaindia.com/report.asp?newsid=1248155
www.theatlantic.com/doc/200904/india-modi - Intresting article on Narendra Modi.
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bestia
02-16 03:36 PM
bestia, the people here keep saying "i don't see the reasoning in x, then x must be wrong and should change"
u believe US intended diversity in DV lottery only and by mistake put it in DV, FB and EB.. you are entitled to your opinion, but good luck getting someone to take u seriosly with this argument
again..i only mentioned race when people kept saying we (certainly their race) are better and brighter, outside correcting that context i would never have discussed it this way.
peace.. have a soccer game now.. c u later
I guess, you still have to answer the question: "How keeping people who are in US, having kids and families, on EAD/AP for years serves the purpose of diversity?"
Ow, I can convince a lot of people, by saying that US government wasted thousands of visas for countries without any country caps. Therefore "diversity" is a lousy and crappy excuse, the real problem is a complete mess, obsolete laws, corruption, and laziness of USCIS.
u believe US intended diversity in DV lottery only and by mistake put it in DV, FB and EB.. you are entitled to your opinion, but good luck getting someone to take u seriosly with this argument
again..i only mentioned race when people kept saying we (certainly their race) are better and brighter, outside correcting that context i would never have discussed it this way.
peace.. have a soccer game now.. c u later
I guess, you still have to answer the question: "How keeping people who are in US, having kids and families, on EAD/AP for years serves the purpose of diversity?"
Ow, I can convince a lot of people, by saying that US government wasted thousands of visas for countries without any country caps. Therefore "diversity" is a lousy and crappy excuse, the real problem is a complete mess, obsolete laws, corruption, and laziness of USCIS.
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drirshad
08-08 04:47 PM
I am one of the July 2nd filer, EB2 India, PD is April 2005 filed 485 at NSC but got a receipt# starting with WAC. First I-485 receipt notice was send me with RD 07/02/2007. I again got the second I-485 transfer notice in September with RD 09/26/2007 saying my case has been transferred back to NSC office as they have jurisdiction over it.
Called IO today says as my application receipt# starts with WAC it will processed by the CSC processing dates that is stuck at May 2006 rather than the NSC processing dates that is at 10th August 2007 making my 485 eligible for processing.
Is this information from IO valid, what can be done to come out of this problems. Looks like there has been some TSC approvals for WAC receipts but no news on NSC.
Called IO today says as my application receipt# starts with WAC it will processed by the CSC processing dates that is stuck at May 2006 rather than the NSC processing dates that is at 10th August 2007 making my 485 eligible for processing.
Is this information from IO valid, what can be done to come out of this problems. Looks like there has been some TSC approvals for WAC receipts but no news on NSC.
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Macaca
07-04 01:01 PM
My point is not to discourage any one, but when we wirte to media, folks will investigate all before they publish to main stream. We need to be fair and should provide the correct information, else we might loose the coverage.
This is important. I am updating my original template and putting the name of the person who said it. That person should be able to stand up when needed!
Also, please look at all possible holes in my points. We need to be rock solid!
This is important. I am updating my original template and putting the name of the person who said it. That person should be able to stand up when needed!
Also, please look at all possible holes in my points. We need to be rock solid!
royus77
06-28 05:16 PM
the cycle for visa exhaustion has to happen before USCIS triggers action....its just not how many applications showed up on their door...
Its all theory ...Do you have any explanation why they rejected for the " Other workers" in june period
Its all theory ...Do you have any explanation why they rejected for the " Other workers" in june period
snram4
01-18 10:05 AM
The H1b rules and Cap are framed based on the principle that foreigners will be allowed only when there are no avialblity of skilled persons for that job. That is the reason For LCA and salary requirements. You can very well google that why H1b visa was created on 1991. Everyone in congress and also american public expects that American jobs should not be replaced by foreigners. But when there is no clear cut job position there could be foreigner could be hired just because he quotes 10 dollar less than American but same skills.
But still we can lobby for change of law to get some grace period of 2 or 3 months when a persons job lost or H1b is cancelled. But it is a bad idea to justify bench without pay for H1b. But still USCIS was sympathtic towards most people and most H1bs got green card though they were in bench. One of my relative forgot to renew H1b for more than an year but otherwise perfect. They accepted and applied for extension explaining the situation and got extension. If they would followed the law she would have got 10 year Ban. But I am not expecting any sympathy from USCIS for anyone who violated law or regulation knowlingly.
Is H-1B working at a gas station a bad apple? Yes.
Non-Indian staffing company keeps $150/hr, 25 years back. Is this a bad apple? How much can a staffing company keep? Why? Who decides it? Has Hilda L. Solis decided it for for US workers? Why should Janet Napolitano decide it for H-1B?
Contractor salary and benefits come from his/her billing only. Most US workers are not paid on bench/benefits. Why should H-1B be paid on bench/benefits? Contractor can be paid on bench/benefits only by spreading the billing over bench/benefits (thereby reducing paycheck). Why is this a good apple?
But still we can lobby for change of law to get some grace period of 2 or 3 months when a persons job lost or H1b is cancelled. But it is a bad idea to justify bench without pay for H1b. But still USCIS was sympathtic towards most people and most H1bs got green card though they were in bench. One of my relative forgot to renew H1b for more than an year but otherwise perfect. They accepted and applied for extension explaining the situation and got extension. If they would followed the law she would have got 10 year Ban. But I am not expecting any sympathy from USCIS for anyone who violated law or regulation knowlingly.
Is H-1B working at a gas station a bad apple? Yes.
Non-Indian staffing company keeps $150/hr, 25 years back. Is this a bad apple? How much can a staffing company keep? Why? Who decides it? Has Hilda L. Solis decided it for for US workers? Why should Janet Napolitano decide it for H-1B?
Contractor salary and benefits come from his/her billing only. Most US workers are not paid on bench/benefits. Why should H-1B be paid on bench/benefits? Contractor can be paid on bench/benefits only by spreading the billing over bench/benefits (thereby reducing paycheck). Why is this a good apple?
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